K: Oh, lord! Apparently, at the end of an hour and a quarter we are still talking
about the higher and the lower. We have talked about division, we have talked
about fragmentation, we have said the higher-self and the lower-self is part of
this division. We have talked about an hour, and you still get up and ask what is
the higher-mind and what is the lower-mind.
Q: [Says something in Sanskrit.]
K: I speak English, so if you also speak English, don’t translate what is said into
your own terminology. See what the gentleman has done. You have translated
what is being said into your own Sanskrit terminology, and therefore you are
stuck. Don’t you want to find out? Don’t you want to find a way of living that is
really beautiful, without any pain, without any fear, that is completely
harmonious? If you do, sir, you have to drop all your slogans, what other people
have said. That means you have to have tremendous energy. And you waste your
energy by repeating words that have no meaning except to those who have
invented them.
Q: What is the relationship between the “me,” the “I,” the ego, and the mind that
sees truth?
K: You are all too clever. That is what it is; you can’t think simply and clearly.
What is the relationship between the “me,” the ego, and the mind that sees, that is
empty, that is whole, that perceives truth? What is the relationship between the
two? What is the self, the “you”? When you say “I,” what does that mean? Do
answer, sir. When you say, “I am a politician,” “I am a saint,” “I am this or that,”
what does it mean? You identify yourself, don’t you, with your family, with your
furniture, with your books, with your money, with your position, with your
prestige, with your memories. Isn’t the “I” all that? You may say the “I” is also
the higher-self, the Atman, but the identification with the higher-self is still part
of thinking, isn’t it? It is thought which says that there must be the permanent in
me, because life must have something permanent. Is there anything permanent?
You are asking what the “I” is, and what the relationship is between the “I”
and that marvelous state when there is perception of what is truth. There is none
whatsoever. There is no relationship between the two. The one is the result of
conflict, misery, pain, agony, despair, hope, and the other is empty of all this.
Right, sir?