Tradition and Revolution Dialogues with J. Krishnamurti

(Nora) #1

K: I discard expression, I discard the created object, and I discard the idea that
beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I have discarded everything that people
have said about beauty, because I see that it is not in anything they have said.
What has happened to the mind that has discarded thought—thought which is the
creator of objects? What is the quality of the mind which has discarded all the
ideas of the beautiful that have been put together by others? Obviously such a
mind is very sensitive; it was carrying a burden before, now it is lighter.


R: You say that you have discarded the object and the thought which has created
the object.


A: Thought is knowledge.


K: Thought is knowledge; it is accumulated through knowledge and through
culture. Thought is the response of memory which has created the object. I
discard all ideas about beauty—about beauty as truth, goodness and love.
Perception is the action of discarding, of putting away—not, I-am-putting-away,
but putting away. So the mind is now free. Freedom does not imply freedom
from something; freedom is freedom. Then what happens? The mind is free,
highly sensitive, no longer burdened by the past. In that mind there is no observer
at all, which means there is no ‘me’ observing. The ‘me-observing’ is a very,
very limited affair, because the ‘me’ as the observer is the past.
See what we have done. There is the object, there is knowledge and there is
perception: through knowledge we recognize the object. We are asking the
question: Is there perception without knowledge, without the observer? So we
discard both the object and the knowledge. In perceiving is the act of discarding.
Again we ask: What is beauty? Beauty is generally associated with an object
created by thought and by feeling. And we discard that.
Then I ask: What is the quality of the mind which discards? It is really free.
Freedom implies a mind that is highly sensitive. In that act of discarding, the
mind has brought about its own sensitivity. This means that in that act there is no
centre. And without a centre as the observer, the sensitivity is without time. It is
an intensely passionate state.


R: When both the object and the knowledge of the object are gone, there is no
focus.


K: Do not use the word ‘focus’. The mind, discarding what it is not, is free. The
act of perceiving what it is not has released the mind, and the mind is free—not
free from any object, but free.


A: The act of perceiving and discarding knowledge are instantaneous and
simultaneous.


K: That is freedom. The act of perceiving has brought freedom—not freedom
from something. When the mind is sensitive, there is the total abandonment of

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