Tradition and Revolution Dialogues with J. Krishnamurti

(Nora) #1

K: The brain cells are the repository of memory. The reaction of memory is
thought. Thought can be independent of memory. It is like throwing a stone,
which is independent of the hand which throws it. Whether that thought
incarnates is another matter.


A: I have a mug full of water; I pour the water into the bucket and then I take the
water out again. But it is not the same water I threw in; it is much more than what
I put in.


K: This is fairly simple. What are you trying to say?


R: The brain cells and their activity are not the ultimate source of all this false
movement.


A: You bring us to action. Now, we are all the time involved in activity. In
discussing with you, we see that activity leads to mischief. To see this is the
beginning of action. Are we going to take it at the level of the brain cells or at the
level of the residue which triggers the activity of the brain?


R: The traditional description is: I eat with my hands. There is a smell of food. I
wash my hand, but the odour remains. So the experience during life leaves a
residual impression. The body dies, but the odour of experience remains, which
seeks more experience.


A: You were saying that the intellect itself is the result of the activity of the
brain. But with the intellect I see what effect the accumulation of the past, as
memory, has left on me. Even when the intellect sees this, the activity of the
brain cells is in motion.


K: Are you trying to say that the brain cells are receiving all the time, that they
are recording all the time, in the state of sleeping and in the state of waking? This
recording is an independent movement. That independent movement creates the
capacity to think, to rationalize. The intellect can then observe the operation of
the movement of thought; it can observe how thought has created itself. And that
is again part of the whole structure of the brain cells. What is the question?


A: How is the structure of the brain cells to change?


K: That is quite a different matter. The brain cells are recording all the time.
Perception, design, colour—everything is being registered. One element assumes
tremendous importance. And the brain cells, receiving impressions all the time,
consciously or unconsciously, are building the capacity to think, to rationalize.
The instrument of this rationalization is the intellect. The two are not separate.


A: Without the intellect, would there be rationalization?

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