Tradition and Revolution Dialogues with J. Krishnamurti

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ideal, he has to invent mokṣa, a heaven. And then there is safety in the future. He


invents God, he pursues truth and enlightenment, all the while remaining
anchored in the past. This anchorage is a biological necessity. So, can the brain
not only see that knowledge is essential, but also see the dangers of knowledge?
Knowledge brings about division. Is not knowledge the factor which divides?


SW: Yes, of course.


K: Don’t agree. See. Can the brain cells seek security in knowledge, and also see
that in knowledge there is the danger of division?


SW: To see both at the same time is difficult.


K: See it at the same time; otherwise you will not see it.


A: How is knowledge divisive?


K: Knowledge, the division between the known and the unknown, is itself
divisive. The divisions of yesterday, today and tomorrow: the today, modified
from yesterday’s knowledge, which is the past, modifying the future, is divisive.
Knowledge is also my image of you and my conclusions about you—my sense
that I know you, when you in the meantime may have changed. My image of you
divides us.
Knowledge also gives security. So can the brain cells realize that at one level
knowledge is necessary, but that at another level it is divisive and, therefore,
dangerous? The building of images is the divisive factor in knowledge. Can the
brain cells see that in order to be physically secure knowledge is necessary, and
also, at the same time, see that knowledge based on images derived from
conclusions is divisive? Then what next?


SW: There are two types of image-making. There is a recording in technological
knowledge which has the form of image-making.


A: We are talking of image-making with some emotional content, in which there
is a projection of freedom as an escape from the past. Technological recording
does not have this emotional content.


K: The brain knows that in this there is no freedom and, therefore, it has to
invent a freedom outside the prison. When you see the whole structure of
knowledge, then the rest is understood.


A: There is a question which I want to ask: Is it that the mind has a capacity to
verbalize something which it does not experience but would like to experience?


K: We have not finished yet, sir. The word ‘knowledge’ includes both
technological and biological knowledge. I see that knowledge is both divisive

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