and unifying. In knowledge there is the bondage of time. But man also knows
that in this there is no freedom. And he wants freedom, for in freedom there may
lie super security. That is why man has from time immemorial talked of freedom.
But as freedom is not within the prison, man has always thought of freedom as
lying outside the prison. And we are saying that freedom is here, not outside.
SW: If the desire for freedom is a biological characteristic, is not the desire for
super security also biological?
K: Is there freedom in all the things which thought has built? Is there freedom in
concepts of freedom? Look at it. Thought cannot find freedom in this prison. And
because it cannot find freedom here, it believes that freedom must lie outside.
SW: In other words, is there freedom in knowledge?
K: Is there freedom in the past? Knowledge is the past; it is the accumulation of
the millions of years of experience. Does experience give freedom? Obviously
not. So is there such a thing as freedom?
SW: I do not know. I see that freedom is not outside; it is a projection. And yet
there is no freedom inside.
K: I do not know. I have always thought of freedom as being outside. All the
religious books and practices have thought of it as over there, but there may be
absolute freedom here. Look. I know, the brain knows, thought is aware that it
has created the prison. All that thought knows is that in demanding security it has
created the prison. And it must have security, otherwise it cannot function. So
thought inquires: Where is freedom? Thought seeks it in a place where it is not
projected, formulated or invented from the past, which is still knowledge.
Freedom must be somewhere.
A: Is the discovery of freedom an act of perception?
K: Visual perception and knowledge have created all this. Both knowledge and
non-knowledge are projections of thought.
R: What is non-knowledge?
A: We are thinking of the unknown as freedom.
K: Therefore the unknown is the known. It is very simple now. This is the
structure of thought. So what is freedom? And is there such a thing at all?
A: We only see that whatever thought produces is not freedom at all.