Tradition and Revolution Dialogues with J. Krishnamurti

(Nora) #1

P: If what you say has to be meaningful, it is essential to understand this process
of time, and the freedom from the process. I therefore ask the question: What
triggered it in you? If you tell me that it just happened, I will say all right. If it
happens, it happens; if it does not, it does not. I will continue my life.


F: There is no trigger.


P: A certain brain made certain noises and suddenly started making other noises,
and K has been saying that the brain cells themselves are time. Do not let us get
away from that. So the brain cells of K which were time, underwent some kind of
mutation.


K: I will show you very simply. The cultivation of a brain, of any brain, takes
time; experience, knowledge and memories are stored in the brain cells. This is a
biological fact. The brain is the result of time. Now, this man at some point
breaks the movement of time. A totally different movement takes place; which
means that the brain cells themselves undergo a mutation. And P says that I must
answer and say what took place; otherwise what happened was merely chance.


D: If it was chance, then we will accept it.


B: An answer by Krishnaji may help us to bring about a mutation in ourselves.


S: Two explanations are possible: The Theosophical explanation that as the
Masters were looking after K he was untouched by experience, and the other
explanation is that of reincarnation.


D: When K says that the boy K was not touched by experience, how does he
know? The boy wrote The Path, The Search; I will not go into the end product
where he was not touched.


K: Just leave that for the moment. How did it happen? What is your answer?
Given these facts, faced with them, how do you answer this?


B: Sir, how can we account for the change which took place in you in 1927? Mrs
Besant has said that the two consciousnesses could not be merged. We have no
personal knowledge of this, nor the capacity to know.


K: Let us investigate it together.


F: I will put it this way. The man woke to another state. One state does not lead
to the other; there is no causal connection.


P: I maintain that the brain cells themselves cannot comprehend time as other
than a horizontal movement. Unless this is understood, we cannot explore, at
very great depth, the problem of time.

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