K: Thought has created the thinker. If thought did not exist, there would be no
thinker. Does the thinker, observing the limitations, say: I am limited? Or, does
thought itself realize its limitations? These are two different positions. Let us be
clear in all this.
We are exploring. There are the two—the thought and the thinker. The
thinker, observing thought, sees, through reasoning which is a material process,
that energy is limited. In the realm of thought, the thinker thinks this.
D: When the thinker says that thought is limited, both the thought and the thinker
become question marks.
K: No, not yet. Thought is memory, thought is the response of knowledge,
thought has brought about this thing called the thinker. The thinker then becomes
separate from thought; at least it thinks it is separate from thought. The thinker,
looking at its reasoning capacity, at its intellect, at its capacity to rationalize, sees
that it is very, very limited. Therefore, the thinker condemns reason. The thinker
says: Thought is very limited—which is a condemnation. Then the thinker says:
There must be something more than thought, something beyond this limited field.
That is what we are doing.
We are taking things as they are. Does the thinker think that thought is
limited? Or, does thought itself realize that it is limited? I do not know if you see
the difference between the two questions.
F: Thought is prior to the thinker.
P: Thought can end. But how does thought feel that it is limited?
K: That is my point. Does the thinker see that he is limited? Or, does thought
say: It is impossible to go any further? You see the point?
F: Why do you separate the thinker from the thought? There are many thoughts
of which the thinker is also another thought. The thinker is the guide, helper,
censor; he is the most dominant thing.
K: Thought has gone through all this and established a centre which is the
observer. And the observer, looking at thought, says that thought is limited.
D: In fact, it can only say: I do not know.
K: It does not say that. You are introducing a non-observable fact. First of all,
thought is the response of knowledge. It has not yet realized that it is very
limited. What it has done, in order to have security, is to put together various
thoughts which have become the observer, the thinker, the experiencer. Then we
are asking the question: Does the thinker realize that it is limited? Or, does
thought itself realize that it is limited? The two are entirely different.