Tradition and Revolution Dialogues with J. Krishnamurti

(Nora) #1

K: So you are saying: When the eyes see clearly and the ears hear clearly, then
evil cannot enter.
To go back, the deliberate intention, the collection of intentions, the
‘thinking-it-over’, which is the deep intention to hurt, is all part of the will. I
think that is where evil is—in the deliberate act to hurt. You hurt me, I hurt you.
If I apologize, it is finished. But if I hold, retain, deliberately strengthen a policy
to hurt you, which is part of the will in man to do harm or good, then there is
evil.
So is there a way of living without will? The moment I resist, evil must be on
one side, and the good on the other, and there is a relationship between the two.
When there is no resistance, there is no relationship between the two. And love
then is an open space without any words, without any resistance; love is action
out of emptiness. As we were discussing yesterday, when the male element
deliberately becomes assertive, demanding, possessive, dominating, man invites
evil. And the female, yielding, yielding, yielding and deliberately yielding in
order to dominate, also invites evil.
So, where there is the cunning pursuit of domination, which is the operation
of the will, there is the beginning of evil. We try to protect ourselves against evil.
We are ourselves creating evil, and yet we draw a circle, a diagram round the
doorstep of the house to seek protection from evil, and inwardly the serpent of
evil is operating. Keep your house clean. Forget all the mantras; nothing can
touch you. We ask protection of the gods whom we have created. It is really quite
fantastic.
All these wars, all the racial hatreds, all the accumulated hatreds which man
has been storing up, must result in a collected hatred, a gathered evil. The Hitlers,
the Mussolinis, the Stalins, the concentration camps, the Atillas—all that must be
stored, must have a body somewhere. So also, the feeling of ‘Do not kill, be kind,
be gentle, be compassionate’—that also must be stored somewhere.
When people try to protect themselves against evil, they are protecting
themselves against the good too, because man has created these two. So, can the
mind enter into darkness?—for the very entrance into it, is the dispelling of
darkness.


New Delhi
15 December, 1970
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