K: Let us go into this. Any energy that meets resistance wears itself out. Take a
car going up the hill without enough power—the energy created by the machine
will wear out. Is there an energy which can never wear out, whether you go
uphill, downhill, parallel, vertical? Is there an energy which has no friction in
itself and which, if it meets resistance, does not recognize resistance, does not
recognize friction? There is another factor to it. Energy also comes into being
through resistance, through manipulation.
P: The moment energy crystallizes—
K: Do not say that.
P: Why, sir, the human organism is a crystallization.
K: The human organism is a field of energy, but do not use the word
‘crystallization’. I am keeping it very simple. There is energy that meets
resistance and wears itself out. In that whole field there is the energy brought
about through resistance, through conflict, through violence, through growth and
decay, through the process of time. Now we are asking if there is any other
energy which does not belong to this field, which is not of time.
A: Tradition calls it the timeless arrow.
F: Are you asking whether there is an energy which is irresistible?
K: No. I only know energy which is in the field of time. It may have a span of
ten million years, but it is still in the field of time. That is all we human beings
know. And, as human beings, we are inquiring if there is an energy which is not
in the field of time.
F: Are you asking whether it is an energy which does not undergo
transformation?
K: Look. I know energy, the cause of energy, the ending of energy. I know
energy as the overcoming of resistance, I know the energy of sorrow, the energy
of conflict, of hope, of despair; they are within the field of time. And that is the
whole of my consciousness. I am asking: Is there an energy which is not time-
bound, which is not within the field of time at all? Is there an energy which may
go through the field of time and, yet, not be touched by time? It is very
interesting. Man must have asked this question for centuries upon centuries, and
not being able to find an answer, he postulated God, and put God outside the
field of time. (pause)
But putting God outside the field is to invite God into the field of time; and
therefore all that is part of consciousness. And that decays. It decays, if I may use
that word, because it is of time and because it is divisible. And my mind which is
divisible, which wants to find a timeless energy, proceeds to postulate an energy