P: What are you perceiving at this moment? (pause)
K: (Makes a gesture, brushing one hand over the other) Nothing. That is it. It is
logically correct.
A: Whatever we hear, becomes a memory the next moment.
K: I am not concerned about you at all. Forgive me. I am not concerned whether
you see or do not see. I told you that I am going to investigate. I am
investigating. You are merely remaining with the formula. I see this fact. Am I
perceiving the formulas with a formula, or perceiving without a movement of
thought, without a formula? Then P asks me: In that state, what is there to
perceive? Absolutely nothing, because that state is not of time. That is the factor
of life-energy.
F: This state which you are just now describing can be called entropy of thought,
a state where no movement is possible any more.
K: You are not investigating.
F: It has not ended here. You are ending it.
P: I want to ask another question. You say that there is nothing. Is there
movement?
K: What do you mean by movement?
P: The passage from here to there—
K: Which is measurable and comparable. Movement which is measured is within
the field of time. And you are asking whether there is movement in that
nothingness. If I say that there is movement, you will tell me that it is measurable
and, therefore, in time.
P: There is movement in nothingness then.
K: What does that mean? The movement of time is one thing. The movement of
nothingness is not of time; it is not therefore measurable. But it has its own
movement, which you cannot possibly understand unless you leave the
movement of time behind. And that is infinite. And that movement is infinite.
Bombay
11 February, 1971