K: Thought, the knowing of thought and intelligence are all maintained by
thought. To say that thought must end and that intelligence must come into being,
is again an action of thought—as is the statement that the thinker and the thought
are one.
To me, the traditional approach of perfecting the instrument through thought
in order to go beyond thought, the cultivation of intelligence and then going
beyond time, is still within the area of thought. That is so. Therefore, in that very
thought there is the thinker—the thinker who says: This must happen, this must
not happen. That thinker has become the will to achievement. The will to perfect
the instrument is part of thought.
P: In this circle, which you have just described, is also implied the questioning of
the very instrument which is thought.
K: But the questioner is part of thought; the whole structure is part of thought.
You can divide, subdivide, change, but it is all within the field of thought; and
that is time. Thought is memory, thought is material; the material is memory. We
are still functioning within the area of the known, and the man who is cultivating
thought says that he will go to the unknown through the known, perfect the
known and get enlightenment. Again, all this is thought.
P: If everything is thought, it must then be necessary to give birth to a new
instrument.
K: When thought says that it must become silent and becomes silent, it is still
thought. What the traditionalists do is to work within the field of thought, which
is the corner of the field. But it is still the result of thought. The ātman is the
result of thought; the brahman, to which man looks up, is the result of thought.
The man who experienced brahman had nothing to do with thought—it just
happened. Whereas his disciples came along and said: Do this, do that—but all
that is within the field of thought.
P: Then there is no proceeding.
K: See how thought plays tricks upon itself—I must have balance, I must have
the right posture in order that the life-energy flows through. Right? I say that
thought is of the past; thought can create the most marvellous instruments—it
can go to the moon, to Venus—but thought can never possibly touch the ‘other’,
because thought is never free. Thought is old, thought is conditioned; thought is
the whole structure of the known.
P: What do you mean by the ‘other’?
K: That is not it.
P: That is not what?
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