K: Most people would not listen to all this. They would brush it aside.
B: The other is easier. It gives something, whereas this gives nothing.
K: This gives everything, if you touch it.
B: But the other is easier.
K: You see, I am terribly interested in this. How has the mind of Krishnamurti
maintained this state of innocence?
P: What you are saying is not relevant; you may be an exception. How did the
boy Krishnamurti come to it? He had money, organization—everything, and yet
he left everything. If I were to take my granddaughter and leave her with you,
and she had no other companion but you, even then she would not have it.
K: No, she would not have it. (pause) Wipe out all this.
P: When you say that, it is like the Zen koan: the goose being out of the bottle.
Did you have a centre to wipe away?
K: No.
P: So you had no centre to wipe away. You are unique and, therefore, are a
phenomenon, and so you cannot tell us: I did this and so it happened. You can
only tell us: This is not it. And whether we drown or not, no one else can tell us.
We see this. We may not be enlightened, but we are not unenlightened.
K: I think it is tremendously interesting to see that thought is time, thought is
memory and that anything that thought touches is not the real.
New Delhi
16 December, 1970