Tradition and Revolution Dialogues with J. Krishnamurti

(Nora) #1

K: That is what P is saying. There is the movement of the mind—the intellectual,
technological movement; there is the movement of the heart; and there is the
movement of violence. There are multitudinous movements in us, and the
coordinator selects one or two to sustain himself. From there, what is the next
question?


P: Are these movements parallel to each other? Ultimately they are either the one
movement or the other.


K: I am not sure.


P: Is the movement of the brain basically that which excites emotions?


A: Though one may not have personal hate or anger, when I read about Bengal,
certain emotions come, and they are social responses; I do not do a thing about it.
Whereas to have love, affection, is a definite quality of enrichment; it is a
sustenance which the mind cannot give you.


D: We have already agreed that the perception of the brain is thought.


K: Let us get the meaning of the words clear. The response to various forms of
stimuli is what we call emotion. Is perception an emotion?
Now what is the next question? Are the two movements with their
subdivisions parallel?


P: Parallel movement means separate movement; they never meet.


K: Or, are they really one movement, which we do not know?


P: Take the example of desire—which category, thought or emotion, would you
put it in?


B: Desire is from the heart.


P: After a while desire becomes thought. So where will you put it?


A: It arises only as a thought.


F: The arising of desire as an immediate emotional response of the heart is not
separate from thought: when one is angry the heart beats faster. All that is one
movement.


K: Desire, hate, love are mental and emotive movements. You ask whether they
are parallel and, therefore, separate. I myself am not saying that they are or that
they are not.

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