Tradition and Revolution Dialogues with J. Krishnamurti

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D: Perception touches matter, and there is an explosion and mutation. Now, you
cannot postulate that which emerges out of it. It is the discovery of the jet engine.


K: Let us put it this way. In that essence when there is action, there is no concern
with self-expression. It is concerned with action. Action then is total, not partial.


P: I want to ask one more question. The manifestation of this—


K: Is action.


P: Has it contact with matter?


A: We go with you as far as perception.


K: No, sir, you have gone further. There is a perception which is a flame, which
has distilled the essence. Now that perception acts or may not act. If it acts, it has
no frontiers at all; there is no ‘me’ acting. Obviously.


P: That itself is creation. Creation is not something apart from that.


K: The very expression of that essence is creation in action—not new action or
old action. The essence is expression.


P: Then is perception also action?


K: Of course. See the beauty of it. Forget about action. See what has taken place
in you. Perception without any qualification is a flame. It distills whatever it
perceives; it distills whatever it perceives, because it is the flame.
There is that perception which distills at every minute: When you say I am a
fool, to perceive that. And in that perception there is the essence. That essence
acts, or it does not act—depending upon the environment, depending upon where
it is. But in that action there is no ‘me’; there is no motive at all.


Bombay
19 February, 1971
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