Tradition and Revolution Dialogues with J. Krishnamurti

(Nora) #1

ENERGY AND TRANSFORMATION


Dialogue 6

P: Science and yoga both maintain that when a living organism is exposed to
tremendous energy there is a mutation. An excessive exposure to radiation, for
example, leads to a mutation in the genes. It also happens, according to yoga,
when thought is placed in consciousness before the fire of energy. Do you think
this has meaning in terms of what you are teaching?


B: Radiation can cause deformity—there can be destructive mutation. A laser
beam pierces steel and flesh; it has the power to destroy as well as to heal.


K: What would you say is human energy? What is energy in human beings? Let
us keep it very simple.


P: Energy is that which makes movement possible.


B: Energy is at different levels: there is the energy at the physical level; then the
brain itself is a source of energy, it sends out electrical impulses.


K: All movement, all action is energy. When does it become intense? When can
it do the most astonishing things? When can it be directed to do incredible
things?


P: When it is not dissipated; when it is brought into focus.


K: When does that happen? Does it happen in anger, hatred, violence? Does it
happen when there is ambition, when there is tremendous desire? Or, does it
happen when a poet has the urge, the vitality, the energy to write?


P: Such energy crystallizes and becomes static.


K: We know this form of energy. But the energy we know does not bring about a
change in the human mind. Why? This energy becomes intense when there is
fulfilment in action. When does it move to a different dimension? An artist or a
scientist, using his talent, intensifies energy and gives expression to it. But the
quality of his mind, of his being, is not transformed by this energy.


P: Something is missing in all this.


K: You are asking whether there is a quality of energy which transforms the
human mind. Now, why does it not take place in the artist, in the musician, in the
writer?

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