K: The fragment of the brain which deals with the technological, and the
fragment which records and which perceives—
P: They seem to form the ego.
K: The technological and the recording fragment, these two, make up the ego;
not the perceptive part.
P: I am including the perceptive part also. The recording is concerned with
both—with the technological and with the perceptual.
K: That may be a verbal explanation.
P: The core of man never seems to get affected; the essential duality between the
thinker and the thought continues.
K: Do you think that there is, basically, a duality? Or, is there only ‘what is’—
the fact?
P: When you, sir, ask a question like that, the mind stands still and one says:
Yes, it is so. Then the query starts: Am I not separate from S, from B? Though
the mind says yes, it also queries a split second later. The moment you asked the
question, my mind became still.
K: Why not stay there?
P: The query arises.
K: Why? Is it habit, tradition, conditioning? Is it in the very nature of the
operation of the self? All that may be due to cultural imposition—to survive, to
function and so on. Why bring that in when we are looking at facts, at whether
there is a basic duality?
P: Are you saying that it may be a reflex action of the brain cells?
K: We are the result of our environment, of our society; we are the result of all
our interactions—that is a fact also. I am asking myself: Is there a basic duality at
the very core or, does duality arise only when the mind moves away from ‘what
is’? When I do not move away from the basic non-dualistic quality of the mind,
is there duality? Does the mind create duality when it is completely with ‘what
is’?
I never think when I look at a tree. When I look at you, there is no division as
the ‘me’ and the ‘you’. Words are used for linguistic and communicative
purposes; the ‘me’ and the ‘you’ are somehow not rooted in me. So, where does
the thinker separate from thought arise if the mind remains in ‘what is’, remains
with pain? When there is no thinking of non-pain, there is the sense of