P: This is your magnitude. If you ask me what is the greatest thing in your
teaching, it is this—to be able to say to oneself, to the chattering mind: Leave it
there. No teacher has said this before.
K: Which means that the peripheral influence has no meaning at the centre.
P: All teachers have talked of putting an end to chattering, to the peripheral
influence.
K: Do you not see that when chattering does not matter, it is finished? It is
strange how it works. I think this is the central thing which the professionals have
missed. Would you say that the guru is concerned only with peripheral change?
P: No. He is concerned with central change. To you there is no difference
between the centre and the periphery. Within the so-called centre there is the first
and the last step. The gurus would say: Get rid of the peripheral chattering.
K: When the sun is shining, you cannot do anything about it. When it is not
there, what are we to do? (pause) What will man make of the statement: Let it
chatter? The fact is that there is no duality, and that the observer is the observed
at all times. The noise of the periphery is the noise of the observer. When the
observer is not, the noise is not. When there is resistance, the observer comes into
existence. Can one really see that the see-er is the seeing and not accept that
statement as an axiom, as an interpretation? But we see that the professionals
have made that into a slogan.
Is there liberation for the man who takes drugs, who takes to breathing in and
out for years? It may lead to a distorted mind. And the man who analyses and
wants to understand—do you think he will find liberation? So if you deny all
that, it is there on a silver platter. It is offered. That brings a tremendous
aloneness which is pure, which is crystal clear.
Never repeat anything; never say anything which you do not know, which
you have not lived.
New Delhi
26 December, 1970