in thought brings greater isolation—we and they, my party and yours. Now, can
the mind go beyond isolation, beyond resistance? Can it be completely alone,
without being isolated? It is only then that I discover something new, something
which is real.
GS: I have experience of that state, but you caught me at that point when you
asked: Why do you divide? There are two situations—states when I do not see
multiplicity, and states in which I see multiplicity. I have a feeling that the states
in which I see multiplicity are falling off.
K: Be careful, sir, you are caught. When you say, ‘falling off’, what do you
mean? Falling off is time. Anything that you can get rid of slowly is time.
Whereas the other does not involve time at all. So do not get caught, sir. (pause)
So is there a perception and an action without time? I see physical danger,
and there is instant action. I do not say: I will gradually withdraw from danger. Is
there a perception, a seeing-the-danger-of-it completely? The very seeing is the
getting rid of it.
GS: If you see the whole thing completely, there is no falling off. It is not there.
M: Which means that there is no preparing for it.
GS: This statement is at variance with my experience. I have experienced
timeless moments. I loved it. I have a memory of it.
K: Leave it alone, sir.
GS: When I hold it, then it is pleasure.
K: That is what it is. Pleasure is our one main ruling principle.
Madras
3 January, 1971