Tradition and Revolution Dialogues with J. Krishnamurti

(Nora) #1

A: There is psychological time which is created by the mind.


K: What do you mean by ‘time as created by the mind’?


A: The mind has a way of prolonging pleasure. My movement in chronological
time is influenced by my mind.


K: What is this mind?


A: Memory.


K: What is memory? You were in Bangalore yesterday and today you are in
Madras. You remember Bangalore. Remembrance of a past experience is
memory. The experience has left a mark, painful or pleasurable—that is
irrelevant. Why has experience left a mark? And what is the substance on which
it leaves a mark?


A: On the censor.


K: What do you mean by the ‘censor’? Yesterday’s experience has left a mark.
On what has it left a mark?


J: On the mind, which is consciousness.


K: Which consciousness? The content of consciousness is consciousness;
without a content there is no consciousness—the two are not separate. Find out
on what memory leaves a mark.


A: On that part of the mind/brain which carries the residue.


K: Marks are left on the brain cells. See what happens—unfinished experience
leaves a mark on the brain cells which hold memory. Memory is matter—the
brain cells are matter. So every incomplete experience leaves a mark which
becomes knowledge. The brain as accumulated knowledge has received
information, and information is knowledge. Its weight makes the mind dull.


A: How does one cope with a challenge?


K: What is coping with a challenge? If you respond according to past
information, you do not know how to deal with the new problem. Experience
leaves a residue as memory on the brain cells, which become the storehouse of
knowledge. Knowledge is the past. So the brain, put together through time which
is the past, acts, responds, functions, according to the residue of the past. And so
a mind crowded with knowledge is not a free mind.


J: Because its responses arise out of the known.

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