When the house is on fire I act, as I must. What is the action when you have
hit me? There is only complete inaction, which means no verbalization.
A: This happened to me when my brother died.
K: Then what takes place? Why do we get caught in knowledge and make it so
extraordinarily important? Why has the capacity to reason, to argue, become so
extraordinarily important? The computers are taking over that function. Why
have the professionals been caught in this trap?
So, can the brain cells, which are put together through time as knowledge,
function with knowledge when necessary, and yet be completely free of
knowledge?
A: When I have pleasure, I say: How wonderful! I do not drop pleasure.
K: I have had an affair which gave me pleasure. Then thought comes along and
says: I would like to repeat it. So it begins—affair, memory, reaction to memory
as thought, thought building images, demanding images. All this is part of
tradition, the carrying over of yesterday into tomorrow.
A: There is also joy.
K: The moment you reduce joy to pleasure, it is gone.
A: Is there more to knowledge than pleasure and pain?
K: We cannot answer that unless we understand pleasure, pain and knowledge.
The professionals have been blind, and they have made millions of people blind.
The monstrosity of it! This country, the Christian world—they are all the same.
The questions which next arise are: Can the brain function at one level with
complete objectivity, with knowledge which is sane, without bringing in the
pleasure principle?—pleasure through prestige, status and all that. And can the
brain also realize that freedom is not in knowledge? That realization is freedom.
How does this happen?
J: One point here: When thought craves to die, it continues.
K: What would the professional’s answer be to this question? Why does thought
cling?
J: I stay in samādhi and come back.
K: There is no meaning in that. Do the brain cells see themselves as a repository
of knowledge? Do they see for themselves—and not as a superimposed
realization—that when the principle of pleasure acts, mischief begins? Then there
is fear, violence, aggression—everything follows.