Tradition and Revolution Dialogues with J. Krishnamurti

(Nora) #1

A: No sir, it is not. The awakening of intelligence is not sui generis.


J: You cannot bypass the intellect. We do not know how the process began, but
we can end it.


K: From the unitary cell until man appeared, it moves on.


A: The biologist does not go beyond manifestation. To assume it is wrong.


K: There is ignorance, and there is also perception, sensation.


A: Saṃskāra is that which is ‘put together’.


K: Put together in time, which means evolution.


A: Then you come to the next point, vijñāna, which is consciousness.


K: Is consciousness different from saṃskāra? That which has been put together


is consciousness.


A: No sir, it is the matrix. Within that matrix there is your consciousness, my
consciousness.


K: Let us find out.


A: The matrix is common to all of us.


K: Saṃskāra, you say, means something put together.


A: Literally it means ‘tendencies’.


K: I am asking: What is consciousness? Consciousness is made up of its content.
Without the content, is there consciousness at all? The content of consciousness
is consciousness; the content has been accumulating for centuries.


A: Is content all or is it a segment of consciousness?


K: I see that all my conditioning makes for consciousness.


A: Man has existed for many, many years. Before his consciousness came into
being, the matrix was already there.


K: Thought began with the unitary cell. Man has lived for more than thirty-five
thousand years; during that time he has collected all kinds of experiences. All
that is consciousness.

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