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Vermont Sen. Bernie Sand-

ers raised $25.3 million in three

months for his Democratic

presidential bid, his campaign

said Tuesday, exceeding the $

million he raised in each of the

previous two quarters this year.

Mr. Sanders and Massachu-

setts Sen. Elizabeth Warren

are financing their primary

campaigns through small con-

tributions, rather than seeking

larger donations by making

calls and attending fundraising

events. Ms. Warren’s campaign

hasn’t said what it raised dur-

ing the three-month period

that ended Monday.

While many of the 19 Demo-

cratic presidential candidates

are struggling to reach 165,

donors—one of the party’s re-

quirements for making the No-

vember debate stage—Mr.

Sanders says he has raised

money from one million people

and that his average donation

is $19. Donors can give a maxi-

mum of $2,800 to a candidate

for the primary election.

The small-donor focus

helped Mr. Sanders avoid a

summer fundraising slump.

Political candidates often find

the third quarter the most dif-

ficult time of year to raise

money. But Mr. Sanders raised

slightly less this summer than

he did in the summer of 2015,

when he hauled in $26.2 mil-

lion while challenging even-

tual nominee Hillary Clinton.

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That was something he didn’t

know, didn’t appreciate and

I’m not sure if he’s ever fully

come to terms with.”

Mr. Barr was surprised and

angry to discover weeks later

that the president had lumped

him together with Mr. Giuliani

on the phone call with Mr. Zel-

ensky, according to a person

familiar with the matter. The

Justice Department said Mr.

Trump never asked Mr. Barr to

contact the Ukrainians.

House committees on Mon-

day subpoenaed Mr. Giuliani

for documents related to his

efforts to pressure Ukraine to

probe Mr. Biden.

Mr. Giuliani said Tuesday

that Jon Sale, a former assistant

special prosecutor in the Water-

gate investigation, will serve as

his lawyer in the congressional

investigations. Mr. Sale didn’t

immediately respond to a re-

quest for comment.

Democrats have used the

Trump-Zelensky phone call to

raise questions about Mr.

Barr’s own conduct. “I do think

the attorney general has gone

rogue,” House Speaker Nancy

Pelosi (D., Calif.) said Friday on

CNN. “Since he was mentioned

in all of this, it’s curious that

he would be making decisions

about how the complaint

would be handled.”

Some argued he should have

recused himself from legal de-

cisions surrounding a whistle-

blower complaint about Mr.

Trump’s call with Mr. Zelensky

and other matters which ulti-

mately led House Democrats to

launch a formal impeachment

inquiry.

The Justice Department ini-

tially blocked the complaint

from being turned over to Con-

gress, advising the director of

national intelligence that it

didn’t constitute an urgent

concern that required report-

ing to the intelligence commit-

tees. Justice Department law-

yers then said they didn’t find

enough evidence to warrant

opening a criminal investiga-

tion into possible campaign-fi-

nance violations.

been close and that he is pri-

vately mystified by what many

in conservative legal circles

view as Mr. Giuliani’s med-

dling in matters that should be

handled by officials in govern-

ment. Mr. Barr has privately

told associates that he be-

lieves Mr. Giuliani’s behavior

in general isn’t helpful to the

administration.

Mr. Trump likes and re-

spects Mr. Giuliani but his per-

ception of him is “cyclical” and

varies depending on the day, a

person close to the president

said. The president so far ap-

pears to appreciate Mr. Giu-

liani’s very public defense of

their Ukraine strategy.

On Wednesday, speaking at

the United Nations, Mr. Trump

called Mr. Giuliani a “great

lawyer” and said: “I’ve

watched the passion that he’s

had on television over the last

few days. I think it’s incredible

the way he’s done.”

“The only person that likes

Rudy on TV right now is

Trump,” said another person

close to the president, adding

that Mr. Trump “likes people

who get on TV and fight for

him.”

Mr. Giuliani said he hasn’t

heard of any frustrations with

him. Asked about criticism of

his attacks on Mr. McGahn, he

said in an interview that he

wasn’t aware of Mr. Barr’s

concerns.

“Maybe he should notice

that McGahn hasn’t testified,”

Mr. Giulani said, referring to a

subpoena for Mr. McGahn’s

testimony from a House com-

mittee investigating Mr.

Trump’s efforts to curtail the

Mueller investigation. “I love

when people Monday morning

quarterback what you decide

as a lawyer.”

Since joining the president’s

legal team in April 2018, Mr.

Giuliani has developed a repu-

tation for combative TV inter-

views. Mr. Barr, in contrast, is

blunt yet more careful in his

public statements.

Mr. Giuliani has known the

president for decades, but bol-

stered his standing with Mr.

Trump with his loyal support

of his campaign in 2016. Mr.

Trump didn’t always return

the favor. He often needled the

former mayor for falling asleep

on long flights, and joked

about whether Mr. Giuliani was

looking at cartoons on his

iPad, a former aide said.

Mr. Trump also berated Mr.

Giuliani in front of others at the

wedding of Treasury Secretary

Steven Mnuchin in 2017. The

president complained that Mr.

Giuliani was spitting while he

was talking and ordered him to

stand elsewhere, the aide said.

After the release of the “Ac-

cess Hollywood” tape weeks be-

fore the election in which Mr.

Trump was captured making

lewd comments about women,

few advisers were willing to go

on the Sunday talk shows to de-

fend the candidate. Mr. Giuliani

taped all five shows—after

which Mr. Trump attacked him

for his performance. “Man,

Rudy, you sucked. You were

weak. Low energy,” the candi-

date told him, according to a

book by two former campaign

aides, Corey Lewandowski and

David Bossie.

Mr. Giuliani rarely com-

plained about such treatment,

jockeying with other aides and

advisers to sit next to Mr.

Trump at dinner or on the

plane. “Rudy never wanted to

be left out,” one former aide

said. “If you were ever be-

tween Rudy and the president,

look out. You were going to get

trampled.”

After the election, Mr. Giu-

liani was eager for an adminis-

tration post—foremost, that of

attorney general. He didn’t get

it.

Yet Mr. Trump valued his

loyalty. In staff meetings at the

White House, the president

would pre-empt complaints

about Mr. Giuliani’s behavior

on television by interrupting

and making clear that he ap-

preciated how hard the former

mayor was fighting for him.

“Everyone shuts up after

that,” a White House aide said.

President Trump and Attorney General William Barr, shown in the East Room of the White House in May, are grappling with an impeachment inquiry.

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inquiry launched by congres-

sional Democrats last week.

The president’s relationships

with his private lawyer who

once aspired to be his attorney

general and the man who cur-

rently has that post are com-

plicating White House efforts

to build a legal and public-rela-

tions strategy to keep Mr.

Trump in office.

Mr. Trump is receiving ad-

vice from two very different

lawyers: Mr. Giuliani, who blan-

kets the airwaves morning and

evening with combative inter-

views and is prone to exaggera-

tion; and Mr. Barr, a more mea-

sured figure but one who has

drawn criticism for appearing

overly close to Mr. Trump.

As Mr. Trump’s personal

lawyer, Mr. Giuliani’s job is to

defend the president; as attor-

ney general, Mr. Barr’s is to

defend the Justice Department

and the institution of the pres-

idency.

Yet Mr. Trump at times re-

fers to the two men almost in-

terchangeably. In a July call

with Ukrainian President Volod-

ymyr Zelensky in which Mr.

Trump pressed his counterpart

to investigate Democrat Joe Bi-

den, Mr. Trump didn’t draw a

distinction between the roles of

Messrs. Giuliani and Barr, say-

ing repeatedly that he would

have both of them call to dis-

cuss the possible Biden investi-

gation and other matters.

“When he was in private

life, Trump was accustomed to

having lawyers where he was

the client, he would give direc-

tives and they’d do their best

to fulfill his directives,” a for-

mer senior administration offi-

cial said. “The government

works a little bit differently.

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Tensions

Hinder

Defense

Mr. Barr didn’t believe it

was necessary to recuse him-

self from deliberations given

that he didn’t know until later

that the president had invoked

his name on the call, but none-

theless didn’t oversee the re-

view, an official said.

In the days since House

Democrats opened an impeach-

ment inquiry, Mr. Giuliani has

been a near-constant fixture

on TV, declaring himself a

whistleblower and confirming

he would deliver a paid speech

at a Kremlin-backed confer-

ence, only to reverse himself

hours later. Mr. Barr, in con-

trast, departed for Italy for a

previously scheduled trip and

hasn’t spoken publicly.

On Monday, a Justice De-

partment official said Mr. Barr

had asked the president to

make introductions in several

countries that may have infor-

mation relevant to a federal

probe into the origins of the

Mueller investigation, which

Mr. Trump has repeatedly de-

cried as a “witch hunt.”

Despite legal careers that

intersected under Mr. Trump,

people close to Mr. Barr say he

and Mr. Giuliani have never

Rudy Giuliani is a

‘great lawyer,’ said

President Trump on

Wednesday.

Sanders

Took in

$25 Million

In Period

President Trump and the

Republican National Commit-

tee together raised $125 mil-

lion in the past three months,

the re-election campaign said.

Mr. Trump and the RNC had

reported raising $105 million

in the second quarter and

about $76 million in the first

three months of the year.

Campaign manager Brad

Parscale said Tuesday on

Twitter that the re-election ef-

fort began this month with

$156 million in the bank.

The campaign said it saw

an $8.5 million cash infusion

from small donors in the 48

hours after House Speaker

Nancy Pelosi announced a for-

mal impeachment inquiry of

Mr. Trump.

The president’s partnership

with the Republican Party

means he can solicit checks of

more than $360,000 from each

donor, far exceeding the

$2,800 each Democratic candi-

date can ask of donors for that

party’s primary election.

The eventual Democratic

nominee can join with the

Democratic National Commit-

tee and accept six-figure dona-

tions from each donor.

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Oversight Committee.

The three House committee

chairmen also sent a response

in a letter addressed not to the

secretary but to Deputy Secre-

tary of State John Sullivan, on

the grounds that the top U.S.

diplomat “now appears to have

an obvious conflict of interest.”

Mr. Pompeo’s participation in

the call between Mr. Trump

and the Ukrainian president,

the lawmakers wrote, renders

him a witness in the congres-

sional inquiry, and as a result,

“he should not be making any

decisions regarding witness

testimony or document produc-

tion in order to protect himself

or the president.”

A State Department official

acknowledged receipt of the

chairmen’s letter and said it

was under review.

Also on Tuesday, the State

Department’s inspector general

contacted several House and

Senate committees and asked

to brief their staffers on

Wednesday about an unspeci-

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ers published on Twitter, Mr.

Pompeo accused them of trying

to bully department officials

into appearing before the com-

mittees, saying officials weren’t

given enough time to prepare,

including consulting with the

department’s legal counsel.

That letter drew a swift re-

buke from the chairmen of

three House committees, who

warned Mr. Pompeo that pres-

suring witnesses not to speak

with lawmakers could be seen

as an illegal attempt to protect

himself and Mr. Trump. Mr.

Pompeo took part in the July

25 phone call that is central to

the inquiry, The Wall Street

Journal reported on Monday.

“Any effort to intimidate

witnesses or prevent them

from talking with Congress—in-

cluding State Department em-

ployees—is illegal and will con-

stitute evidence of obstruction

of the impeachment inquiry,”

said a joint statement by Reps.

Eliot Engel (D., N.Y.) of the For-

eign Affairs Committee, Adam

Schiff (D., Calif.) of the Intelli-

gence Committee and Elijah

Cummings (D., Md.) of the

fied matter related to Ukraine,

a congressional aide said.

House Democrats have

moved rapidly in recent days,

as lawmakers have issued sub-

poenas to Mr. Pompeo and

Rudy Giuliani, the president’s

personal lawyer, for documents

related to the administration’s

requests that Ukraine investi-

gate Democrat Joe Biden just

as aid to the country was being

held up.

In the face of the quickly es-

calating inquiry, Mr. Trump on

Tuesday continued to lash out

against the whistleblower whose

complaint sparked the investiga-

tion last week. In tweets, Mr.

Trump pushed for the whistle-

blower’s identity to be revealed

and asked: “Why aren’t we enti-

tled to interview & learn every-

thing about the Whistleblower,

and also the person who gave all

of the false information to him.”

Later Tuesday, Mr. Trump

said he was becoming con-

vinced that “what is taking

place is not an impeachment, it

is a COUP.”

The depositions by Mr. Volker

and Ms. Yovanovitch will be cen-

tral to the inquiry. Mr. Volker in-

troduced Mr. Giuliani to Andriy

Yermak, a top aide to Ukrainian

President Volodymyr Zelensky.

The two spoke by phone several

times this summer and met in

Madrid in August. Mr. Giuliani

has said he raised the matter of

investigating Mr. Biden to Mr.

Zelensky.

Ms. Yovanovitch was ousted

from her ambassadorial post in

May following criticism from

conservatives, including Mr.

Giuliani, who publicly accused

her of acting against the presi-

dent’s interests. Mr. Giuliani

has denied he sought to pres-

sure her ouster.

Ms. Yovanovitch, who re-

mains a State Department em-

ployee and is a senior State De-

partment fellow at Georgetown

University, hasn’t responded to

requests to comment.

Mr. Trump, in a rough tran-

script the White House released

of his call with Mr. Zelensky, de-

scribed Ms. Yovanovitch as “bad

news” and said she would “go

through some things.” It is un-

usual for a president to criticize

a U.S. official to a foreign leader.

House leaders set plans to

question two key State Depart-

ment witnesses after Secretary

of State Mike Pompeo sought

Tuesday to block the effort, in

the first clash between congres-

sional Democrats and the Trump

administration of the newly

minted impeachment inquiry.

Marie Yovanovitch, the for-

mer U.S. ambassador to

Ukraine, will be deposed Oct.

11, postponing her scheduled

session by nine days, a commit-

tee aide said Tuesday. Kurt

Volker, the U.S. special repre-

sentative for Ukraine negotia-

tions who resigned last week,

will be deposed on Thursday.

The planned questioning and

the back-and-forth with Mr.

Pompeo show how House Dem-

ocrats increasingly see the

State Department as central to

their inquiry of whether Presi-

dent Trump inappropriately

used his office to pressure

Ukraine’s president into investi-

gating a political rival.

In a letter to House lawmak-

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House Democrats Press State Officials

Former Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch will be deposed Oct. 11.

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Trump, RNC

Raised

$125 Million

In Quarter