Yeah, she’s got a big story. Beautiful young woman. And we were talking
about consciousness. And what that really means in context of being an
activist as well, or how do you start to have those conversations in the
Indigenous community? Because sometimes they’re contentious things to
talk about. They can be really hard. But ultimately I think as long as we are
having those conversations and making music and painting those paintings
and doing those dances, knowing that the ways of our Old People are
absolutely embedded within a spiritual framework, we’ll be okay.We’re okay. And we always are, hey. I think if you are
moving through the world as a spiritual being having a
physical human experience, you become less attached
or less identified with the trauma and you’re able to
witness it from a different place. It almost becomes an
honour to be able to experience that contrast.
Absolutely. And also trusting
in the strength of that spirit.
Like it’s easy for us, as we dip
into our own egos and all the
rest. When I say ego too I mean
not just self-inflation, I mean
our ego as our whole emotional
self. We’re all victims to it and
we all suffer those insecurities
and those things that we go through. Trust in the old Ancestors and the spirit of culture is
important. That no matter what we do, no matter what we say, no matter who we’re around
and what happens, that spirit is always going to ring through. And it’s been evident through
society. I meanThrough the hardest, toughest times—the craziest stories. And there’s evidence of it every
fucking day. So we’re okay [laughs].It’s like I often say to people I’m talking to around
the place, spirit doesn’t judge the colour of your
skin. If you’re in a sacred place, spirit will pass
through you just like it will pass through the next
blackfella. But the difference is the knowledge.
Aboriginal people have been blessed with that
knowledge of understanding what that place means
and knowing how to approach that place and be respectful of that place. And people having
had that knowledge will absorb that in a different way, will feel that spirit in a different way.
That might be that elated feeling of, “Oh I love Australia! Wow! Feels amazing this place!”
And, “Look at the view.” Or in a negative way, “Oh I feel sick here,” or, “I’m a bit scared,
what’s going on? I better get out of here.” But not really understand what it is. And I think
that’s the most devastating part of society these days. For everyone. I feel sorry for the whole
nation in that respect because that knowledge, it’s been withheld. That reconciliation that’s
being withheld from us as caretakers of such a powerful place is so devastating. Everyone
deserves to grow up with that knowledge to understand country. Because we all feel country.
It doesn’t matter who it is. Someone who’s a couch potato, never thinks anything beyond
what’s going on on Instagram or TV or whatever. They still might take their shoes off and
walk through some place and something will pull them into that connection. And they don’t
get that chance to understand what it is. I think that’s a really sad part of where we’re at. The
other side of that too is, you talked about my positivity before. And I’ve been here and there
and learned things over time and connected with a lot of great elders of all different cultures
around the world. I always take in what they say. And bits and pieces stay with me, and bits
and pieces don’t. One thing that really came through in me strong a while ago in Peru was
that it is, a lot of the time, it’s our ego that puts us in this place. We’re so damaging to our
earth as human beings, fuck, look at what we’re doing, look at what we’re doing. And yes, of
course we are, but the ego takes us to a place where we think we can judge what we’re likesociety tried to absolutely abolish the culture.
And still that spirit rang through and still today
it rings through.89CONNECTED TO SPIRITCONVERSATIONS