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1 Home of Pago
Pago
6 Muscles that get
“crunched” in
crunches
9 [Oh, well]
13 Things that go
off when there’s
danger
16 Other: Sp.
17 Where to go for a
fill-up
18 Mets’ venue
before Citi Field
19 Regarding
20 ___ San Lucas
(Mexican resort
city)
21 Member of a
tough crowd, say
22 Firm place to
plant your feet
24 “That sounds fun
to me!”
28 “Auld ___ Syne”
29 Tuesday, in
Toulouse
30 Ancient carver of
stone heads in
Mesoamerica
33 Move on a pogo
stick
36 Viewing options
popularized in
the 1990s39 ___ card
(smartphone
insert)
40 Beefcakes
41 Doesn’t win
42 H 2 O, south of the
border
44 “So’s your
mama!,” for one
45 Cash or stock,
e.g.
50 Child’s
counterpart
51 Witty remark
52 “I’ll get right ___”
56 Christmas carol
57 The terrible twos,
e.g. (one hopes!)
... or the start of
17-, 22-, 36- or
45-Across?
59 Protected, at sea
60 Floral garland
61 “Money ___
everything”
62 Opposite NNW
63 Halves of quartsDOWN
1 Long story
2 “What a shame!”
3 What a sail is
tied to
4 Approximately5 Quantity: Abbr.
6 “I was with my
girlfriend all
evening,” e.g.7 Donation to the
Red Cross
8 Info in a data
breach: Abbr.9 “Leaving
already?”
10 “That seemed
right to me, too”11 Like most
vegetation
12 Keep everything
for oneself14 Breakfast sizzler
15 And others: Abbr.21 “Charming”
jewelry?
22 What a skinny-
dipper lacks23 Kind of club for
singers
24 Little
rapscallions
25 Home of
Timbuktu
26 Theatrical sort
27 Takes too much,
in brief
30 Buckeyes’ sch.
31 12, for^1 / 3 ,^1 / 4
and^1 / 6 : Abbr.
32 “The Marvelous
___ Maisel”
34 On top of
35 Surreptitious
sound during an
exam
37 Slightly
38 Word repeated
in “Waste ___,
want ___”
43 Throat44 Give back to45 Hawaiian porch46 “Golden” things
in the Bible47 Light blue shades48 Actress Essman
of “Curb Your
Enthusiasm”49 Takes a chair52 “Huh, funny
running into
you!”53 Indian flatbread54 “That true?”55 Bills with
Alexander
Hamilton on
them57 Attys.’ degrees58 Drug also known
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EYE KYRGYZSTANa woman who’d recently given birth to a
stillborn child, and a Black man in Chicago
who was tortured by the police, to name just
a few.
In the era of Covid-19 and mandated so-
cial isolation, the show’s intimate conversa-
tions feel more urgent than ever. Several re-
cent episodes — including a series of inter-
views with essential workers and “Skin
Hunger,” a two-part collaboration with the
podcast “Love + Radio” about the longing
for physical touch — have confronted our
pandemic reality explicitly.
But the show is perhaps most valuable as
a long-running investigation into interper-
sonal estrangement of all kinds. If no hu-
man experience should be regarded as
alien, to paraphrase the Roman playwright
Terence, then “Death, Sex & Money” offers
a fuller view of what being human can
mean.
Sale, 39, has straight, shoulder-length
brown hair and the enthusiastically analyt-
ical manner of a therapist at happy hour. In
March, she left her home in Berkeley, Calif.,
to shelter with her husband, two young
daughters and in-laws at her in-laws’ house
in Cody, Wyo. During our video call, she sat
on the floor of a closet that has been serving
as a temporary “Death, Sex & Money” stu-
dio.
Sale grew up in Charleston, W.Va., the
fourth of five daughters, with a father who
was an orthopedic surgeon and a mother
who was a physical therapist. Both of her
parents were regular listeners of NPR, and
Sale, an observer born into a family of talk-
ers, loved to listen to Terry Gross while rid-
ing in the back seat. She moved away for
college in 1999 — she studied history at
Stanford and worked at the Martin Luther
King Jr. Papers Project there — but re-
turned home after graduation without a
clear vision for her future.
“I had all of this energy and didn’t know
where to direct it,” she said.
One day, her aunt told her to close her
eyes and imagine someone who made her
feel jealous. She pictured Gross. Soon after,
she got her first break in journalism, as a
local politics reporter for West Virginia Pub-
lic Radio. She spent three years there, plus
one in Connecticut, before moving to New
York, where she cold-called her way into a
job at WNYC.
From 2010 to 2013, Sale reported on poli-
tics for the WNYC show “The Takeaway.”
During the 2012 presidential election, she
led a series of candid, in-depth conversa-
tions with voters in swing states. She had
hoped they might provide a counterbalance
to the red meat of political rallies and pro-
fessional pundits, but the stories struggled
to penetrate the din of the horse race.
While covering Anthony Weiner’s second
sexting scandal and ill-fated mayoral bid in
New York the following year, pangs of doubt
about the direction of her life returned. But
not long after, she learned of an internal
WNYC contest soliciting ideas for its
nascent podcast operation. Sale, who was
33 and divorced at the time, realized that
she had one — a show where people would
be given room to talk about hard things that
had shaped their lives. One day, while walk-
ing the dog, she heard herself say the words
“death, sex and money.”
The secret ingredient of the show is Sale’s
empathic persona. Nick van der Kolk, the
host and director of “Love + Radio” and co-
producer of “Skin Hunger,” first noticed it in
an early episode about a massage therapist
who also did sex work.
“Usually, when you hear a story like that,
it becomes either a tragic thing or the flip-
side, which is like militantly sex-positive,”
he said. “But their discussion was incredi-
bly nuanced. The woman was completely
honest about not liking the job, but also
about how she didn’t feel like it was this hor-
rendous thing that was destroying her life.”
Often, as in an episode about pornogra-
phy featuring a man using the pseudonym
Daniel, who reported intrusive, upsetting
thoughts during sex, Sale’s forthright ques-
tioning — in a finely tuned, feather-soft
voice — elicits equally forthright answers.
ANNA SALE Is it possible for you to have sex
with your girlfriend that doesn’t feel hard?
DANIELSometimes, yeah. Is there ever a
time when we have sex that I don’t have to
talk to my brain? Where I don’t have to use
the conscious part to talk to the unconsciouspart? No. But it doesn’t mean it’s not good.
SALESo what’s a sentence that you have to
tell yourself?
DANIELI’ll be like, “That’s not real, that
doesn’t mean anything, that’s not what you
really want, think about what you really
want.”
“She’s a master of the craft,” said Stella
Bugbee, editor in chief of The Cut and a
longtime fan of the show. “You can hear the
generosity in her voice, and it’s very genu-
ine. But she doesn’t beat around the bush
and she doesn’t back away from pain.”
Sale, who said her experience covering
politicians taught her to embrace tough
questions, doesn't work from a script dur-
ing interviews. “I’m listening and editing at
the same time that I’m interviewing,” she
said. “If someone is opening up to me about
something, I keep chasing the thread until I
can picture it and it feels real to me. Where
were you? Who was there? What was that
like?”
During the show’s six years, listeners
have come to trust it as a vessel for their
most vulnerable selves. That has placed a
particular burden on Sale and herproducers.
When I asked Sale if she ever felt that the
emotional toll was too much to bear, she
brought up the episode about the woman
whose child had been stillborn. “It was the
kind of loss that our society is so paralyzed
about and unable to figure out how to ac-
knowledge,” Sale said.
After conducting the interview, in which
Sale, who had recently given birth to her
second daughter, asked the woman about
deciding to hold the child and what she
planned to do with her milk, she took the
rest of the day off, called a close friend and
went home to her family. Once the episode
ran, she began to hear from listeners.
“There was a woman who donated 50
trees to be planted in the child’s name, a
man in our building who said he’d never
thought about this subject before, and a
woman who said that it had happened to her
25 years ago and it’s still the most painful
thing she’s ever gone through,” Sale said. “I
was moved that we had been a place where
people could encounter that kind of experi-
ence and think about how it exists in the
world that they live in. It made me proud
that we hadn’t looked away.”The Calm Voice Asking Thorny Questions
The tagline for Anna Sale’s
podcast “Death, Sex & Money”
is “The things we think about a
lot and need to talk about
more.” Her guest include the
famous and the little-known.DEVIN OKTAR YALKIN FOR THE NEW YORK TIMESCONTINUED FROM PAGE C1