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markets, their recovery [from Covid] will


be faster. The vaccine, of course, helps,


but more important is the psychology.


importantly, the psychology of a cur-


rency revaluation is very powerful


for investors. The first question that


[emerging market] investors often


ask is if they will lose money on the


currency.


India is the biggest country weight-


ing in your portfolio. Why?


India just announced its budget and a


number of dramatic changes that are


going to have a big impact driving eco-


nomic growth there—including open-


ing up the insurance market to foreign


investors and increasing privatization


of state-owned enterprises. It’s a great


stor y. We ownAPL Apollo Tubes


[ticker: APAT.India], which makes steel


pipes and [should benefit from] spend-


ing on infrastructure. We also own


Persistent Systems[PSYS.India], a


software company that does a lot of


work with companies like IBM, and


Metropolis Healthcare[METROHL-


.India], which does medical testing.


Latin America has been out of the


spotlight. What are the opportuni-


ties there?


Brazil is the place we are focusing


[on]. We own retailerLojas America-


nas[LAME4.Brazil], which has [an


online retail] partnerB2W Digital


[BTOW3.Brazil] that is the equivalent


ofAmazon.com[AMZN]; a software


company,Totvs[TOTS3.Brazil], and


[medical diagnostics company]Fleury


[FLRY3.Brasil]. With lockdowns, dis-


tance diagnosis is coming to the fore.


Once these testing companies have


your records, they can recommend


hospitals, doctors, medicines. It’s a


matter of data collection, which


is very important.


Chinese stocks have had some of


the biggest gains recently, but there


are regulatory questions—Beijing


scuttling the Ant Financial initial


public offering, and new antimo-


nopoly measures. What’s the risk?


The Chinese government realized you


couldn’t have these internet companies


taking over the financial system, which


they were well on their way to doing.


It’s why I believe they stopped the IPO.


The government also was worried that


retail investors might get burned be-


cause they were also planning to regu-


late these fintech companies. China’s


not alone. The U.S. is looking at [regu-


lation]; Europe is looking, too.


What do you think about recent


efforts by the U.S. to restrict


China’s access to technology?


The U.S. made a mistake restricting the


transfer of technology. Now, if I were


sitting in Beijing, I would say, “Taiwan


Semiconductor Manufacturing


[TSM] is the biggest [chip company]


in the world, and even though we con-


sider it our province, we can’t control


that.Samsung Electronics[005930-


.Korea] is next; it’s in Korea. The U.S. is


next, withIntel[INTC].” What you’re


going to get—particularly now with big


semiconductor shortages—is the Chi-


nese working overtime to produce their


own chips.


That’s going to take a while.


No question. TSM is basically a


foundry. They do the physical produc-


tion, but hundreds of little fabless


Taiwanese companies create all the


software that’s necessary to go into


these chips. We own several: Taiwan’s


eMemory Technology[3529.Tai-


wan],WIN Semiconductors[3105-


.Taiwan], andParade Technologies


[4966.Taiwan]. Return on capital em-


ployed is very good because all they


need are offices and a computer.


What about the risk to Taiwan


as U.S.-China tensions flare?


It’s a risk we have to accept. These fab-


less companies have strong ties with


Apple[AAPL] andMicrosoft[MSFT]


and usually have some base in Silicon


Valley to service them so they can still


operate without being in Taiwan.


What do you like in China?


We haveYum China Holdings


[YUMC]. They have done a [good] job


in improving the way they operate. We


also ownAK Medical Holdings


[1789.Hong Kong]. There’s a lot to be


done in [developing the healthcare


system].


Are you worried about the U.S.


and China decoupling?


I don’t think it’s going to happen. The


government can say one thing, but the


companies can say another. They don’t


have to be in the U.S.; a lot are setting


up in Dubai or the Cayman Islands.


Should investors be worried about


the recent push to delist Chinese


companies that don’t comply with


U.S. auditing oversight?


It would be very easy for [Chinese


companies] to meet the accounting


standards. It’s a matter of pride [for


the Chinese government] to refuse to


allow these companies [to open their


audit books]. And look at the turnover


of these companies on the New York


Stock Exchange! Do you think the


brokers are going to allow these turn-


over conditions to go away? I doubt it.


It takes two to tango: U.S. authorities


will probably let up, and the Chinese


will adjust their accounting over time.


There’s also increasing scrutiny of


China’s human-rights issues, such


as in Xinjiang and Hong Kong.


How does your ESG approach


allow for China investments?


We don’t look at the macro level in


that sense. We know Xinjiang is a


problem. We know human rights gen-


erally are a problem. A lot of people


would say you’ve got to do something


about human rights and change soci-


ety. If we tried to do that, think of how


many real democracies there are in


the world today, particularly in emerg-


ing markets. It’s very difficult.


We look at the individual company


to determine how they’re doing on


measures of ESG, and culture. It’s


amazing, over the years since I began


investing in China, the improvements


we’ve seen. The government has be-


gun to impose certain ESG standards


on these companies, which is a sign


policies are moving in that direction.


In your latest book,The Inflation


Myth and the Wonderful World of


Deflation,you suggest that the


recent worries about inflation


are misguided. Why?


I wanted to denigrate the whole em-


phasis on inflation numbers. You hear


the Federal Reserve saying, “Inflation


has gone up by a half-percent; we’ve


got to do something,” or economists


saying, “You have to have at least 2%


inflation, otherwise it’s no good for the


economy.” This is all insane. Inflation


numbers are based on a basket that’s


changing every year. If you go back 10


years, the basket’s completely differ-


ent and the quality of products has


changed dramatically. Because of tech-


nology, we’re getting a deflationary


trend where things are getting


cheaper—and that’s accelerating in the


emerging countries. This measure is


not a very good way to make policy.


How should we measure inflation?


You should look at wages and income


and measure the quality of life. As an


old timer, the quality of my life has


gotten a lot better: I can write an email,


or the computer can access all this


information—that didn’t exist when I


was getting my Ph.D. at MIT. Prices


are going up, but the reason is cur-


rencydevaluation. Throughhistory,


there’s absolutely no currency in the


world that has maintained its value.


What does that mean for the dol-


lar’s status as the reserve currency?


The dollar peaked last March, and now


it’s way down to 2018 levels. You’re


seeing a number of things here. First,


don’t underestimate cryptocurrencies.


When you think of all the people who


don’t want their wealth to be revealed,


they’re using cryptocurrencies.


No. 2: The dollar is still the largest


investment currency, but the euro is


the largest trade currency. A lot of that


has to do with zero interest rates,


which make trade financing [in the


euro] very attractive. And then you’re


seeing the yuan coming up. China has


already concluded currency swaps


with a number of countries.


You’re going to find a general retreat


from the U.S. dollar—not today or to-


morrow. It’s a slow process. The most


critical aspect for the dollar is the de-


gree to which it can be used and traded


around the world; that’s very impor-


tant to people. One of the reasons it’s


difficult for the Chinese to have a re-


serve currency is because they want to


control it so much, but it’s remarkable


that it has appreciated about 10%


against the dollar since the middle of


the last year. It shows the demand.B


As people begin to feel safe, you’ll see


economic activity pick up very fast.”


“You’re going to find a general retreat from the U.S.


dollar—not today or tomorrow. It’s a slow process.”


Money Matters


The dollar is still


the world’s No. 1


investment cur-


rency, and the


euro is the larg-


est trade cur-


rency. But de-


mand for China’s


yuan is growing.


10%


The amount by


which the yuan


has appreciated


against the dollar


since the middle


of the last year

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