experience, to create exactly what you needed to create. All of this has been called forth by
you and Me together.
Whose “will” is it, then?
I tell you that it is Divine Will. Remember this, always:
Your Will and Mine is that will which is Divine.
Oh, man, that’s wonderful. Wow. That says it, doesn’t it? That puts it all together. You have a
way of doing that. You have a way of putting it all in ten words or less. That’s another way of
saying something You said in Conversations with God: “Your will for you is My will for you.”
Yes.
But you said something back there that struck me. You said that I have simply been “using
God” to make my life happen. Somehow, that doesn’t seem right. I mean, it doesn’t feel as
though that’s the kind of relationship I’m supposed to have with You.
Why not?
I don’t know, exactly. But somewhere mixed in there are some things I’ve been taught about
being here to serve God. When I was at St. Lawrence Elementary School in Milwaukee and I
was really thinking that I was going into the seminary, I remember the nuns talking about God
using me to serve God’s purpose. There was never any talk about my using God to serve my
purpose.
And yet, this is how I would have it be.
It is? You would?
Yes.
You want us to use You? We are not here for You to use us?
Part of the problem in understanding this, in straightening this out, is that this conversation is
being constructed on top of a separation paradigm. That is, we are talking as if you and I
were somehow separate from each other— which is, of course, how most of the human race
thinks of it. It is how most people imagine their relationship with God to be. So it may be
useful to talk within that paradigm if it allows for greater understanding, but I just want to note
that we are speaking of the illusion here, not reality, not what is real.
I understand. 1 agree that there may be some benefit in speaking in illusory terms about life
inside “the illusion.” I am clear that all life on Earth is illusory. I know now, and often deeply
experience, the Ultimate Reality of Oneness, with You and with everything and everyone. But
it is helpful to sometimes discuss things within the framework of my—and many people’s—
lesser understandings. Speaking within that framework, are we not here for You to use us?
If you were there for Me to use you, why is the world the way it is? Could it be that this is
what I had in mind? Or could it be that this is what you’ve had in mind? I tell you this: it is the
latter, and not the former.
The world around you is exactly what you’ve had in mind.