we had a rather exciting discussion about the orgone, lasting con
tinuously until 8: 30 in the evening. I explained to him the main
features of the bionous disintegration of matter, and the discovery of
the orgone radiation, first in the SAP A * bions and then in the atmo
sphere, as reported in my articles in the journal. Not only was every
single fact new to him; but he became increasingly interested and
excited. Otherwise he would not have listened for nearly five hours. I did
not tell him about the temperature differences, which I knew was an
unbelievable fact for a physicist, until I had shown him the rays in the
orgonoscope which I had brought with me. And now, please be atten
tive: We put out the lights in the room and I gave him the orgonoscope
and showed him how to use it. We waited about 20 minutes to accom
modate the eyes. Then he looked through it, through the window, and
he exclaimed amazed: "Yes, it is there. I can see it." He looked again
and again. We put on the light again, and he said: "But I see the
flickering all the time. Could it not be in my eyes?"
I was a bit astonished that he withdrew, because the orgonoscope
shows the rays in a delineated gray circle, distinguished from black
surroundings, and his exclamation was quite genuine and true. In my
article about the discovery of the orgone, I had discussed at some
length the question of the objectivity of the rays, which are both in
the eyes and outside the eyes. The objective proof for the objectivity of
the rays is, as I explained, the fact that you cannot magnify impressions
in the eye, but you can magnify objective rays. Einstein asked me what
else I had observed. Then I told him that I hesitated to tell him about
another phenomenon I had observed, because he would not believe it.
And I told him about the existence of the continuous temperature differ
ence between the air above the top of the accumulator and within the
accumulator and the free air. To that he exclaimed: "That is impossible.
Should it be true, it would be a great bomb!" (verbally). He got rather
excited and I too. We discussed it sharply and then he said that I
should send him a small accumulator and if the fact were true, he would
support my discovery. Before departing, I told him that now he could
understand why people were saying that I was crazy. To this he said:
"I can understand all right."
I had a small accumulator especially built for him and brought it
over about 2 weeks later. We agreed to observe the fact of the tempera-
* SAnd PAket (sand packet) bions, so-called because the culture that showed a
radiation effect was obtained from ocean sand heated to incandescence.