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opportunities.
Dennison ridiculed this idea,
especially the actors that Arnold
called “comparable” to Heard’s
potential career track before the
Waldman statements, including
Jason Momoa (Heard’s “Aqua-
man” co-star), Gal Gadot, Ana de
Armas and Zendaya — an actress
so famous, Dennison pointed out,
that she goes by one name. Ar-
nold said she was trying to find
comparison to actors who also
were in superhero and action
movies, and they were merely
comparable, not identical.
Depp’s lawyer also made the
point that Heard booked only one
acting role post-“Aquaman” in
2018, which Arnold called her
breakout moment, until Wald-
man’s statements in 2020. Arnold
agreed that was true, but the role
was on the TV show “The Stand,”
which was a big deal because it
was based on a Stephen King
novel.the op-ed — so there’s “no way”
that Heard’s op-ed had an impact
on what the Hollywood Reporter
journalist wrote, she said.
She reiterated that Depp
brought additional damage to his
career with his libel lawsuit
against the British tabloid the
Sun (which he lost in 2020),
which put his vulgar text messag-
es and allegations of his behavior,
among other things, in the spot-
light. “In actuality, he’s causing
his own demise by bringing these
lawsuits forward and continuing
to kind of ignite the fire of nega-
tive publicity around both of
them,” she said.
Cross-examination also dealt
mostly with Arnold’s testimony
that statements to the media by
Depp attorney Adam Waldman —
calling her abuse allegations a
hoax — damaged the actress’s
reputation and career to the point
of ruin, and cost her around $45
million to $50 million in lostentertainment consultant who
testified to damages to their ca-
reers that both Depp and Heard
have claimed against one an-
other.
She started with Depp and said
that she analyzed whether The
Post op-ed negatively affected the
actor’s career. Arnold testified
that it did not have an impact,
given that his behavior on and off
film sets started to interfere “with
what everybody saw as his great
talent.”
Arnold pointed to another is-
sue raised by Depp’s legal team: a
Hollywood Reporter article pub-
lished on Dec. 20, 2018 — two
days after the op-ed — in which
Disney executive Sean Bailey
confirmed that Depp would not
be moving forward as Jack Spar-
row in the Pirates of the Caribbe-
an franchise. Arnold said that
although it ran online that day, it
had actually published in print
two days prior, the same day asintimate partner violence,” Spie-
gel testified. “You are quote-un-
quote, colloquially, ‘playing with
fire’ ” when talking about sub-
stances and IPV.
Depp attorney Wayne Denni-
son cross-examined Spiegel and
took particular issue with the fact
that Spiegel had never directly
evaluated Depp, but Spiegel said
that if experts were allowed to
testify only about subjects they
had personally evaluated, the
whole legal system would be “null
and void.” Dennison asked Spie-
gel if someone could have every
risk factor of intimate partner
violence and never commit inti-
mate partner violence; Spiegel
replied that the probability was
that the person would, but he
could not definitively say that
everyone with every risk factor
would commit intimate partner
violence.
The defense’s last witness
Monday was Kathryn Arnold, anAfter some back and forth,
Moore said he could not “rule
out” that the injury was caused
with a vodka bottle, but based on
the evidence, he did not believe
the injury happened in the man-
ner Depp described.
Later, the defense called David
Spiegel, a Virginia psychiatrist
who specializes in drug and alco-
hol abuse and intimate partner
violence known as “IPV.” (Depp’s
lawyers objected to him being
called an expert in the latter.)
Spiegel spent a lot of time telling
the jury about how alcohol and
drug use affects the brain and
memory — Depp’s substance use
has been a major talking point of
the trial — and said that based on
his review of the evidence, Depp
had behaviors that were consis-
tent with substance-use disorder
and i ntimate partner violence.
“We also know that alcohol and
cocaine use independently in-
crease significantly the risk ofAdapted from an
online discussion.Dear Carolyn: My
husband is very
frustrated with his
job. I cannot recall
a time that he
liked — or was
even neutral a bout
— a ny of the jobs he’s had over our
marriage or even when we were
dating.
I guess I’m tired of the
complaining. Jobs aren’t fun all
the time and sometimes bosses
suck. Isn’t that part of life? I’ve
tried to offer constructive ideas,
but I am dismissed.
So am I supposed to just feel
sorry for him for the rest of time?
Occasionally, some of his
complaints are valid and I’d be
annoyed, too, but it’s similar to
the little boy who cried wolf — all
the other times where I had to
fake sympathy have just depleted
my sympathy reserves.
I guess I don’t know what to do.
I don’t want to add to his stress,
but I also am pretty sick of the
whining. Thoughts?
— DepletedDepleted: Firmly, but not
unkindly, the next time he starts
in: “I cannot recall a time that you
liked — or were even neutral —
about a job. Can you think of a
time you were at peace? Can that
point you to a better fit?”
Let him process that before yousay anything else. Maybe he’ll
have an aha moment.
If not — if he balks or gets
defensive (again, not unkindly):
“I’m not saying your complaints
aren’t valid. But jobs aren’t fun all
the time and sometimes bosses
suck. So I don’t know how to
help.”
Again, give him room to
respond — and also listen with
your mind open to his
perspective. Maybe he’s had
successive, objectively terrible
workplaces.
If he just pushes back: “I’ve
tried to offer constructive ideas
and just listen, and it isn’t
working and I’m wearing down.”
Then, hope he at least comes
up with instructions for you.
Then you can say what roles you
are and aren’t comfortable filling.
Being supportive isn’t just
about soothing and agreeing.
Sometimes it means you admit
what you’re seeing and either
hold up the mirror or ask
explicitly what to do.Re: Work: This is me. I hate every
job I have ever had. My husband is
well aware of this and is
exceedingly tolerant of it, since I
have changed jobs every two years
since we met and I complain about
every job... a lot. I know I need to
change something — get out of
this profession, find something I
am more passionate about and
would enjoy doing — but I
ruminate on that all the time andhave not reached a conclusion.
Maybe he is in the same
rumination station and just
cannot figure out a good path?
— Hate My JobHate My Job: Passion sounds like
a high bar. Don’t rule out going in
the other direction, where you
accept work as work and find
something that meets only two
criteria: revenue-positive, pain-
neutral. There’s a whole cohort
out there working at Whatever
because it’s just fine and it allows
them to live their lives. The work-
to-live crowd. Worth a thought, at
least.
Pardon the unasked-for advice.Re: Work: I have a whole soapbox
speech about why it was bad to tell
a generation-plus of kids that you
should “do what you love” and the
right job will be your passion. That
is absolutely true for some people,
but also not true for many more,
often through no fault of their
own. My job is fine. Even my
friends who love their jobs don’t
love them every day.
— FineWrite to Carolyn Hax at
[email protected]. Get her
column delivered to your inbox each
morning at wapo.st/gethax. Join the discussion live at noon
Fr idays at washingtonpost.com/live-
chats.Husband is frustrated with his job,and spouse is frustrated with himCarolyn
HaxNICK GALIFIANAKIS FOR THE WASHINGTON POSTof vodka at him in a way that
severed the tip of his middle
finger on his right hand. Heard
denied this, and testified that on
the same night, Depp sexually
assaulted her with a liquor bottle,
and at some point between then
and the next day, his finger was
injured.
Richard Moore, a North Caroli-
na-based orthopedic surgeon
who was called to the witness
stand by the defense, told the jury
that he did not believe Depp’s
finger was injured from a vodka
bottle being thrown at him.
Moore, who added that he re-
viewed a “tremendous” amount
of material including medical rec-
ords, photos and depositions
from Depp and his doctor, said he
arrived at that opinion because
“The medical data is inconclusive
— it’s not consistent with what we
see in the described injury pat-
tern or in the clinical photo-
graphs.”
In other words, Moore testi-
fied, if Depp’s hand was flat on a
bar and the bottle crushed his
finger from the top, he would
have anticipated an injury to the
fingernail and other parts of the
finger. However, Moore said, the
fingernail and nail bed appeared
to be intact. (Jurors saw photos to
support this.)
As a result, Moore said, Depp’s
description of what happened did
not line up with the evidence
Moore reviewed — and he did not
see any glass shards or other
lacerations or injuries on his
hand. Using an X-ray of the finger
shown to jurors, Moore said that
type of injury usually happens
when a finger is squeezed be-
tween two hard, opposing surfac-
es.
On cross-examination, Depp’s
lawyer Camille Vasquez argued
that Depp had actually described
his hand resting on the edge of
the bar, slightly curled over the
edge — Moore said even if he had
misstated that, it would not sub-
stantially change his opinion
about the mechanics of the inju-
ry. He also agreed that he did not
have personal knowledge of
what happened, given his im-
pression is based on the descrip-
tion and available medical rec-
ords.
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David Spiegel, a psychiatrist, testified that Johnny Depp had behaviors that were consistent with substance-use disorder and intimate partner violence. Also testifying in the
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