Tradition and Revolution Dialogues with J. Krishnamurti

(Nora) #1

A: All that is consciousness. Thought comes into operation when the ‘I’ wants to
localize.


K: That is right.


F: When the brain is cut off there is no thought.


K: That is, memory is held and paralyzed. All that we have described—memory
and all that—is consciousness. Now thought comes into operation when I am
interested in a part of this. The scientist is interested in material phenomena, the
psychologist in his area; they have limited the field of investigation. Thought is
used as a systematizer. P asks: What is the relationship between thought and
consciousness? I think that is a wrong question.


P: Why is it a wrong question?


K: There is no relationship between the two because there are no two. Thought is
not something separate from consciousness.


P: Is thought part of it or is thought all of it?


K: Go slowly. I do not want to say something which is untrue.


F: Thought is coextensive with consciousness. Let us not subdivide them.


K: P asked F a very simple question: What is the relationship between thought
and consciousness?


F: Which is the ‘other’. She has no business to speak of the two as separate.


P: In everything K says the ‘other’ is posited: Thought has a legitimate place in
the field of technology, but it has no legitimate place outside this field. And the
point is not to perform an operation to wipe out thought. Therefore the ‘other’ is
posited.


A: So, is there in consciousness a space which is not covered by thought?


P: Exactly.


K: I am not at all sure. I do not say that you are not right. So go on.


A: I say that there is a space in consciousness which is not thought and which is
part of the human heritage. It is there.


K: I do not think that there is any space in consciousness.

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