Tradition and Revolution Dialogues with J. Krishnamurti

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is functioning. I watch all that. I see a series of pictures but I do not live
anything.


K: That means the self is absent.


GS: There is no single self.


K: That is, there is no centre.


GS: There is no centre which has time in it.


K: That means in oneself there is no fragmentation at all. At the very core of
one’s being, there is no fragmentation.


GS: Put that way, one sees that there is a state in which there is no
fragmentation.


K: Can one find out a quality in which there is no fragmentation?—Which means
the ending of thought that breeds fragmentation, of thought which is time.
Look, sir, when you go through the world there are separate actions—social,
political, communal, the action of the hippies—all of which are fragmented. Is
there an action which is not fragmented, but which will cover all that?


GS: You use the word ‘action’, but action is associated with time.


K: I mean the active present.


GS: Yes, it is.


K: It means that there is a quality of mind in which there is no fragmentation at
all. It is the active present all the time.
What relationship has all this with love? Love has been reduced to sex and all
the morality around it. If love is not, fragmentation will go on. You will be a
physicist, I will be something else, and we will communicate, discuss—but these
are mere words.


GS: How do you communicate? There has been some communication after you
have talked. How do I understand that? How is it that I understand it?


K: What does the word ‘communication’ mean? You and I have something in
common, which implies sharing.


GS: How is it possible to share?


K: Wait, we are using time to communicate. Having something in common
implies that both of us want to understand, examine, share an issue together—I

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