shouldn’t print this [laughs]. Andsecondwasactuallybeinginoneofthosekayaksonthe
water really close to the coal ships.Withonemassiveshipcomingthroughandnotstopping.
But the two things I was thinkingaboutthatdaywere,one,thepeoplewhoareleadingthis
need our solidarity. The Pacificisfeelingtheimpactsofclimatechangesoacutelyalready.
And two, there’s a website run byGlobalWitnessandTheGuardianthattrackedhowmany
environmental defenders were killedlastyeardefendingtheirlandortheirnaturalresources.
And it was 83 people.
Around the world. I think aboutthata lot.ThatactuallyinAustraliawehaveanobligation
to be brave and to put ourselvesoutthereonclimatechangewhateveritlookslikeforus,
because the worst that can happenwhenyoustanduphereisfarbetterthantheworstthat
is happening in so many other countriesaroundtheworld.Yetbecauseofourcoalexports,
Australia is one of the biggest contributorstoclimatechange.
I amactuallyrunningoutthedoortoa donormeeting
whereI willasksomeonetocontribute$200,000to
FarmersforClimateAction.AlotofwhatI doinvolves
askingpeopletodothingsor,asI liketolookatit,
givingpeopleopportunitiestomakeanimpact.There
iscourageinbeingabletomaketheask.Whetherit’s
askingthefarmerorgrazierinthemidstofdealing
withextremedroughttoaddtheirnametoanopen
letter against the Adani mine, askingsomeonefora donationtosupporta climatechange
advocacy group, asking someonewitha publicprofiletousetheirinfluencetomakea public
statement. It is going to take a lotofpeopleaskingifwearegoingtobuilda movementbig
enough to make meaningful change.
One of my favourite quotes is byEleanorRoosevelt.Shesaid,“Doonethingeverydaythat
scares you.” I’m in a different phaseofmylifenow,wherebecauseofhealthissuesandmy
son being so young I’m trying nottopushmyselfasmuch,andthat’sok—Iamactually
actively trying to spend more timeinthecomfortzonebecauseI wasgettingtoofamiliar
with the danger zone and I neededtoretreat.Buttherewillbea timesoon,I hope,whenI can
spend more time in that challengezoneagain.
Last yearwhentheIPCCreportcameoutandsaidbasically,“Wehave
11 yearstogetemissionsdownandcarbonoutoftheatmosphere,”
it freakedouta lotofpeople.Evenpeoplelikemewhohavebeen
involvedfora longtime.Youknowthegravityofthesituationbuton
a day-to-daylevelyoukindofcompartmentaliseandjustdoasmuch
as you caninasstrategica waypossible.Butreadingthatreportand
then seeingtheextremeweathereventsthissummer,youhavethat
question in the back of your mind:“Isit toolate?”Andwedon’treallyknowtheanswer.SoI
think, like all people involved inthiswork,GodI hopeit’snottoolate. Butyouhavetoact,and
we probably still do have time toturnthingsaround.Wearethelastgenerationthatdoeshave
So what about now? Are you still having to
summon up courage to do particular aspects
of your work? Putting aside the challenging five
months that you’ve had with your health and
moving. Does it still show up, this need to push from
safety to challenge zone? I mean you have a lot of
fire and that’s something that I really admire in you.
Wow.
I love that. I think it’s such a
constructive relationship you have with
change-making, maybe because you
did have that positive experience when
you were young, but it’s the epitome of
what Joanna Macy calls “active hope.”
Far out.
Do you know thebiggestreasonpeoplegive
for getting involvedin a socialmovement?
“I was asked.”
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