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came with him. Girlfriend

Kimberly Guilfoyle, a former

Fox News personality and

senior advisor to President

Trump’s reelection cam-

paign, tried to play mediator

while singing the praises of

the Trumps; the usually gre-

garious Behar had to hold

her ears and ask Trump Jr. to

stop yelling. And since he had

no other game plan than Op-

eration Bellow & Gaslight,

cross-talk was his answer

when Huntsman asked

Trump Jr. why he revealed

the name of someone identi-

fied on some online sites as

the whistleblower in a tweet

when it was dangerous to do

so or when Hostin con-

fronted him with a readout of

the extortionate phone call

at the center of the impeach-

ment inquiry.

McCain’s approach was

markedly different when it

came time for her to address

the 41-year-old guest, and it

produced one of the few re-

flective moments in an other-

wise loud, argumentative

“discussion.” She main-

tained a measured tone when

she said the senior Trump

had hurt a lot of people on his

way up. The Khans, for in-

stance, are a Gold Star Fam-

ily who lost their son in battle,

and he insulted them. She

asked if the president might

apologize.

Trump Jr. answered with

a mess of words, all seemingly

from a conversation he was

having on a talk show in an al-

ternate universe: “I under-

stand he’s controversial. I

understand he offended a lot

of people. But he took on the

establishment, and that’s the

premier sin in American poli-

tics these days.”

Was it worth it, though,

she pressed, hurting all those

people?

And for a minute, Trump

Jr. was caught off guard by

McCain’s very apparent

struggle to conceal her own

pain. President Trump con-

sistently mocked the war

record and integrity of her fa-

ther, Sen. John McCain, be-

fore and after his death. In a

loose setting like “The View,”

which is neither light morn-

ing fare nor hard-line politics,

that ache was palpable. And

remarkably, Trump Jr.’s face

belied something close to

shame.

“The View” is one of the

few places left on TV where li-

beral, conservative and mod-

erate voices pose questions

that real folks might ask

rather than indulging in the

wonk talk of political pod-

casts or the punditry of Fox or

MSNBC. And the result is

raw moments that are as au-

thentic as they are viral.

Democratic presidential

hopeful Tulsi Gabbard ap-

peared on the show this week,

getting into it with Behar

when the host suggested that

Gabbard might be an “unwit-

ting” asset of Russia: “Not

that that means you’re

stupid, but people can be

used.”

“That exactly what that

means,” replied Gabbard.

“Let me start with how offen-

sive it is to say that I’m a wit-

ting or unwitting asset of a

foreign country, working

against the interests of my

country, a country that I am

willing to lay my life down for.

So if you are saying it’s not de-

liberately, then you are imply-

ing that I am too stupid and

too naive and lack the intelli-

gence to know what I am do-

ing.”

Also this week, actress-

environmental activist Jane

Fonda spoke about her re-

cent arrests during protests

to spur action on global

warming. “We’re the last gen-

eration between the life and

death of the planet,” she

warned, and the conversa-

tion got serious from there.

Trump Jr.’s segment

wasn’t necessarily all that

hard-hitting or informative.

But it was revealing for that

one, honest split second with

McCain, and the other 47 ½

minutes of fact-juggling and

reality reversal.

Trump isn’t a bully, by his

son’s logic, but the victim of a

pack of bullies: the vicious li-

beral media, PC culture and,

of course, the Democrats.

The Democrats had it out for

my dad the moment he was

elected, bawled Junior. Gold-

berg, who’d spent most of the

segment imploring everyone

to stop talking over one an-

other, stopped him right

there: “He’s the president,”

she said. “Let me remind you

of what happened right after

Obama was elected. [Mitch

McConnell said] ‘We’re going

to make sure he’s a one-term

president.’ ... Part of being

president is having a pair

that can take whatever heat

comes toward you.”

As with our own kitchen

tables — and in contrast to

any number of ideologically

siloed cable news programs

— the range of political opin-

ions on “The View,” along

with the sense of familiarity

its format breeds, creates a

dynamic back-and-forth

that’s rare on TV these days.

When Trump Jr. sug-

gested that no one cared

when his father was sent

white powder in the mail, for

instance, complaining of an

uneven playing field, Gold-

berg turn the whining

around: She asked if it bo-

thered him that the person

he revealed as the whistle-

blower could be getting white

powder in the mail.

“We don’t know that’s ac-

tually happening to him,”

said Trump Jr.

“We don’t know it hap-

pened to you,” Goldberg shot

back.

Did “The View” get out of

hand at times on Thursday?

Sure. Does “The View” often

devolve into a sparring

match, whether between

guests and hosts or among

the hosts themselves? Most

definitely. That’s why “The

View” is a morning show

we’re still checking in on,

more than 20 years after its

debut: Sometimes, when you

disagree about politics with

your nearest and dearest,

you just have to have it out.

WHOOPI GOLDBERG,left, Abby Huntsman, Joy Behar, Donald Trump Jr. and girlfriend Kimberly Guilfoyle, Sunny Hostin and Meghan McCain talk on Thursday.

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