So I love being in relationship with you because not only do you carry
the wisdom of your Ancestors, you keep reaching back to find more,
to be in contact with that ancient wisdom. And you’re also present
right here, right now. And you lean lovingly forward into the future.
That is the abundant conversation I want to have—right now at this
crazy, crazy moment of climate emergency and cultural breakdown—
to hear ancient wisdom and try to weave it into our consciousness
and let that be some medicine for our very fractured paradigm.
What I love about it, because I feel the same: activism, pure
activism not only steers you in the direction of identity politics,
which is dangerous and divisive, it also steers the individual
person and the collective activist group into depletion.
Karuah just north of Newcastle. But because of how things were at that particular time,
a lot of the way our communities could survive was doing work like hawking, running
the market gardens and laying the railway up and down the east coast. So at the point of
my grandma’s birth there was a big separation between my family and our homelands
because they moved every two weeks. My grandma literally grew up in a tent. And every
week or two they were at a new site and the whole family worked laying the railway line
that runs up and down the east coast. So there was a generation or two of disconnect
and I’m very grateful to my mum and uncle who just felt called home, I guess. And
retraced and connected and brought us home to our homelands and our culture. I live
today on the Kulin Nations and tomorrow I will be living on Gubbi Gubbi country! So it’s
interesting to actually be talking on this day. ’Cause it’s such an end of a chapter of my
life. I feel like it’s one of those seven-year cycles. We literally are leaving tomorrow.
I think that’s the daily challenge
for me: how to navigate issues that
are very real and present and, you
know, there’s clearly a layer for us
where there are still people in our
community living in third world
conditions in a very resource-rich
country. That’s very little-known
as well. But how do you wrangle all
of that and reconcile all of that as well as start to sit in a place where you’re really thinking
and dropping in to how our Old People and our Lore would have dealt with these issues—as
well as combining that with futures thinking? So it’s this weird little concoction that takes
me on so many amazing journeys into so many beautiful conversations. And there’s been
times in my life where I’ve been a staunch activist. I really honour and value that pathway
and I certainly understand why people still are on that path. But I think for me now there’s a
different world opening up in terms of how we start to move through those struggles. How we
really start to tend to our spiritual wellbeing.
And within that landscape there is a Lore. And it is Lore that is just as powerful and intact as
it ever was. Sometimes it’s just about awakening that. So I feel like if what we had been doing
in terms of our activism had been very successful, I probably would have stayed on that path.
But in some ways it hasn’t really paid off! [Laughs]. In the way that we would like. So I feel
like all that is left is to go back to the voices of our Old People and our Ancestors and try to
speak from that place.
Absolutely. I know so many people who
are doing such good work in that space but
their own spirits and their own bodies and
their own families are burning out. Because
I really believe that even in a city like Melbourne
there is a spiritual landscape that overlays the five
million people and the hundreds of skyscrapers
and commerce and economic activity.
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