29our conversation as a prime example of how the fog
can be lifted if we simply put aside the hyperbole
and ditch the posturing, others will view it as frat-
ernizing with the enemy— that enemy being you.
My principles allow me to have this dialogue with
you, despite your views about Islam and its nega-
tive role in today’s world, just as they would allow
me to have a dialogue with members of the Muslim
Brotherhood, who advocate “Islam is the solution”
for today’s world. In either case, my aim would be
to further my secular, demo cratic, human rights
values. In fact, I regularly exchange views with
committed Islamists and jihadists in an attempt to
bring them away from their ideological dogma—
as is my role. Yet I suspect that for many conserva-
tive or tribal (yet nonreligious) Muslims, my talking
to you is more problematic than my talking to ji-
hadists. That highlights the extent of the prob lem
we face today.Harris It does indeed.
Nawaz Now, when I talk about the sizes of these
vari ous circles we’ve just categorized, it’s very
im por tant to know that I’m referring to them in
a global sense. Ame rica in par tic u lar may be
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