Sen. Simon: Let me read another section from Senator Cranston's statement. I believe the record
suggests the following happened: After Boland II was signed in October 1984 [outlawing all U.S.
aid to the Contras], you and certain others in the White House were encouraged to secure military
aid for the Contras through unorthodox channels. Your career training in establishing secrecy and
deniability for covert operations, your decades-old friendship for Felix Rodriguez, apparently led
you to believe you could serve the national interest by sponsoring a freelance covert operation out
of the Vice President's office. What is your response to that statement?
Gregg: Well, I think it is a rather full-blown conspiracy theory. That was not what I was doing.... I
was involved in helping the Vice President's task force on antiterrorist measures write their report.
But normally I had no operational responsibilities....^
Sen. Simon: When did you first find out the law was being violated?
Gregg: By the law, do you mean the Boland amendment?^
Sen. Simon: That is correct.
Gregg: I guess my knowledge of that sort of came at me piecemeal after Hasenfus had been shot
down [Oct. 5, 1986] and there were various revelations that came out....
Sen. Simon: So what you are telling us, you found out about the law being violated the same time
the rest of us found out the law was being violated?
Gregg: Yes, sir....
Sen. Cranston: From February 1985 to August 1986, you have acknowledged that you spoke to
Rodriguez many, many times on the telephone. Let me quote from your sworn deposition to the
Iran- Contra Committee: `` Felix called me quite often and frequently it was what I would call sort
of combat catharsis. He used to do the same thing in Vietnam. He would come back from an
operation in which some people had been lost and he would tell me about it. '' Now, is it still your
testimony that Rodriguez never mentioned his deep involvement in Contra supply activities during
any of these phone conversations?
Gregg: That is my testimony.
Sen. Cranston: Is it still your testimony that prior to Aug. 8th, 1986, Rodriguez never mentioned
the status of his Contra resupply efforts during his numerous face-to-face meetings with you in
Washington?
Gregg: Never.^
Sen. Cranston: Is it still your testimony that Rodriguez did not mention the status of his Contra
resupply efforts in the very meetings that were convened according to two memos bearing your
name, for Rodriguez to `` brief the Vice President on the status of the war in El Salvador and
efforts to resupply the Contras ''?^
Gregg: There was no intention to discuss resupply of the Contras and everyone at that meeting,
including former Senator Nick Brady have testified that it was not discussed.
Sen. Cranston: As you know, it is difficult to reconcile those statements about what happened in
the meeting with the statement and memos from you that the agenda was ... two things, one of
them being efforts to resupply the Contras....