Tradition and Revolution Dialogues with J. Krishnamurti

(Nora) #1

K: Impact as pleasure, pain, conflict, sorrow, conscious or unconscious, is going
on all the time. There may be an awareness of all that at one moment, and at
other moments there may not be. But it is going on all the time.


P: This process itself is consciousness, and the centre that observes is also part of
consciousness.


K: What is the next question?


B: What is the nature of the unconscious?


K: It is still the same. Only it is the deeper layer.


B: Why are we unconscious of the deeper layer?


K: Because superficially we are very active all the time.


B: So the density of the superficial layer prevents our being conscious of the
deeper layers.


K: I am making noises on the surface, which is like swimming on the surface. So
what is my next question?


B: Is it possible to integrate the various layers?


K: No.


P: What is the relationship of thought to consciousness?


K: I do not understand this question because thought is consciousness.


P: Is there anything else but thought?


K: Why do you put that question?


P: Because you started by distinguishing the region where thought has a
legitimate place from a region where thought has no legitimate place. And now
you say that thought is consciousness.


K: Go slowly. Let us pause here. The first question was: Is thought part of this
whole thing? Consciousness is thought—pain, conflict, memory. When the
superficial mind is making a lot of noise, you come and ask: What is the
relationship between thought and all that? Thought is all that.


P: You said just now that thought is a part of all that. Then what is the rest?

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