P: I want to put another question to you. When I listen there is no movement of
thought, but am I totally conscious?
K: Why do you call that being conscious? Wait, go slowly. A says that there is
space in consciousness. We have to respond to that.
P: Whenever a statement like that is made, you immediately say that wherever
there is space there is a boundary.
A: I may be using the wrong word here.
K: You have used the right word. But you do not see that space cannot be
contained in a frontier, in a boundary, in a circle.
A: In one sense space is held within the circle, the square, and rectangle; but that
is not the space we mean here.
K: Where there is a border there is no space.
D: According to the scientists, time and space are held together.
K: But when we say that consciousness has space, then consciousness has time.
Space exists only when there is time. Time is limitation. Do not call that space.
Space, in the sense in which we use the word, does not exist in consciousness.
That space is something else. Leave that for the moment. Now what is the next
question?
P: If we can take it from this point, I again ask: What is the relationship of
thought to consciousness? Is thought contained in consciousness?
K: Do not use the word ‘relationship’. That implies the two. Thought is
consciousness. Do not put it in any other way.
P: Yes, thought is consciousness, listening is consciousness, learning is
consciousness. If thought is consciousness, is thought not related to seeing as
consciousness?
K: Put the question this way: Is there a state of mind when there is no learning at
all? You see the question?
P: You have left us far behind now.
F: There are fields in which we operate without consciousness. Most of our
relationships are beyond the reach of consciousness. I operate unconsciously.